{"id":595,"date":"2015-04-02T23:53:03","date_gmt":"2015-04-03T03:53:03","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.grieve-smith.com\/blog1\/?p=595"},"modified":"2017-08-31T23:24:39","modified_gmt":"2017-09-01T03:24:39","slug":"that-guy-and-their-red-face","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/grieve-smith.com\/blog\/2015\/04\/that-guy-and-their-red-face\/","title":{"rendered":"That guy and their red face"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Today I was walking with my son, and we passed two men going the other way.  I said to him, &#8220;Did you see how one of those guys was really red in the face?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;No, what&#8217;s so special about them being red in the face?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I think he was drunk.  Sometimes when people get really drunk, their faces get red that way.  Not every red face means the person is drunk; sometimes it could be windburn-&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;So they might just have windburn?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Well, no, it&#8217;s a different pattern of redness&#8230;&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>The conversation went on like that, with me using <em>he<\/em> pronouns to refer to the man, and my son using <em>they<\/em> pronouns.  And no, he wasn&#8217;t talking about both of the men, he was talking about the one with the red face.  I know this because he&#8217;s used <em>they<\/em> pronouns to refer to classmates in his all-boys gym class, and to his teachers who take the &#8220;Ms.&#8221; honorific and wear makeup and high heels.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve been meaning to write about this for a while, but I figured tonight is a good night to post it, since the lexicographers <a href=\"http:\/\/www.poynter.org\/news\/mediawire\/330339\/question-from-aces2015-is-it-time-to-accept-they-as-a-singular-pronoun\/\" target=\"_blank\">are talking to<\/a> the copy editors about singular &#8220;they.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>I grew up using &#8220;singular they&#8221; for generic referents: &#8220;If anyone needs help with this reading, they should talk to me.&#8221;  I was familiar with the &#8220;the pronoun game,&#8221; as <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=aXHOohvkRrc\" target=\"_blank\">it was called in <em>Chasing Amy<\/em><\/a>, where the lesbian and bisexual characters obscured their sexuality by using &#8220;they&#8221; to refer to their (specific) partners.  Being transgender and a linguist, I&#8217;m familiar with <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2015\/02\/08\/education\/edlife\/a-university-recognizes-a-third-gender-neutral.html\" target=\"_blank\">a relatively new use<\/a> of &#8220;they&#8221; pronouns: for specific genderqueer or agender people who don&#8217;t want to be identified with any gender.<\/p>\n<p>My son&#8217;s use of &#8220;they&#8221; doesn&#8217;t fit any of these established uses.  He is using it for specific individuals whose gender is either male or female, and already known to us.  I asked, and none of these people asked to be referred to with gender-neutral pronouns.  I don&#8217;t have the impression that this is a conscious effort on my son&#8217;s part, either.  It just seems to be the third person pronoun that he uses for everyone.<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t know if my son&#8217;s classmates use it this way, or if it&#8217;s just one of those quirks that comes from growing up as the child of two linguists.  I haven&#8217;t yet heard him use &#8220;they&#8221; to refer to any immediate family members, or to people who are present.  I&#8217;ll post an update if I hear anything like that.  In the meantime, have you heard this use of &#8220;they&#8221;?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Today I was walking with my son, and we passed two men going the other way. I said to him, &#8220;Did you see how one of those guys was really red in the face?&#8221; &#8220;No, what&#8217;s so special about them being red in the face?&#8221; &#8220;I think he was drunk. Sometimes when people get really &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/grieve-smith.com\/blog\/2015\/04\/that-guy-and-their-red-face\/\" class=\"excerpt-link\">Read More<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":596,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"activitypub_content_warning":"","activitypub_content_visibility":"","activitypub_max_image_attachments":4,"activitypub_interaction_policy_quote":"","activitypub_status":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[9,16,28,25],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-595","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-language-change","category-morphology","category-pragmatics","category-variation"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/grieve-smith.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/595","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/grieve-smith.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/grieve-smith.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/grieve-smith.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/grieve-smith.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=595"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/grieve-smith.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/595\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1062,"href":"https:\/\/grieve-smith.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/595\/revisions\/1062"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/grieve-smith.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/596"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/grieve-smith.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=595"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/grieve-smith.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=595"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/grieve-smith.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=595"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}